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Submitted by wonkazkande on August 27, 2011 - 9:05am

Current Cube List we have created - review, critique, enjoy. Any feedback would be appreciated. this one took a while to put together.

Red
Mogg Fanatic
Grim Lavamancer
Jackal Pup
Kird Ape
Hellspark Elemental
Kargan Dragonlord
Skirk Marauder
Squee, Goblin Nabob
Goblin Sharpshooter
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Hell's Thunder
Ball Lightning
Ghitu Slinger
Avalanche Riders
Flametongue Kavu
Baulduvian Horde
Siege-Gang Commander
Arc Slogger
Ancient Hydra
Thundermare
Crater Hellion
Bogardan Hellkite
Goblin Guide
Magus of the Scroll
Cinder Elemental
Shard Phoenix
Inferno Titan
Blistering Firecat
Two-Headed Dragon
Tahngarth, Talruum Hero
Sparksmith
Gorilla Shaman
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Flameblast Dragon
Hero of Oxid Ridge
Firestorm
Lightning Bolt
Goblin Bombardment
Incinerate
Pillage
Hammer of Bogardan
Wheel of Fortune
Grab the Reins
Sneak Attack
Fireblast
Fireball
Pandemonium
Earthquake
Jokulhaups
Urza's Rage
Slice and Dice
Insurrection
Form of the Dragon
Final Fortune
Chandra Nalaar

Blue
Jushi Apprentice
Merfolk Looter
Willbender
Waterfront Bouncer
Rootwater Thief
Voidmage Prodigy
Temporal Adept
Man o' War
Vendilion Clique
Serendib Efreet
Old Man of the Sea
Trinket Mage
Tradewind Rider
Wonder
Venser, Shaper Savant
Vesuvan Doppelganger
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
Morphling
Meloku the Clouded Mirror
Mulldrifter
Consecrated Sphinx
Overtaker
Sower of Temptation
Ninja of the Deep Hours
Ophidian
Quicksilver Dragon
Sphinx of Jwar Isle
Magus of the Unseen
Waterspout Djinn
Raven Familiar
Rainbow Efreet
Arcanis The Omnipotent
Draining Whelk
Aquamoeba
Prodigal Sorcerer
Ancestral Recall
Time Walk
Counterspell
Time Twister
Capsize
Psionic Blast
Cryptic Command
Gifts Ungiven
Control Magic
Opposition
Bribery
Force of Will
Mana Drain
Fact or Fiction
Forbid
Compulsion
Braingeyser
Confiscate
Paralax Tide
Jace the Mind Sculptor

Green
Birds
Sakura Tribe Elder
Wild Mongrel
River Boa
Tarmagoyf
Spike Feeder
Eternal Witness
Yavimaya Elder
Troll Ascetic
Blastoderm
Spike Weaver
Master of the Wild Hunt
Deranged Hermit
Genesis
Verdant Force
Ravenous Baloth
Fauna Shaman
Obstinate Baloth
Basking Rootwalla
Rampaging Baloths
Phantom Centaur
Caller of the Claw
Erhnam Djinn
Kavu Titan
Acidic Slime
Krosan Tusker
Primeval Titan
Llanwar Elves
Killer Bees
Quirion Ranger
Great Sable Stag
Uktabi Orangutan
Wall of Roots
Thornling
Wall of Blossoms
Rancor
Fastbond
Berserk
Sylvan Library
Regrowth
Suvival of the Fittest
Elephant Guide
Harrow
Rude Awakening
Saporling Burst
Plow Under
Tooth and Nail
Might of Oaks
Call of the Herd
Giant Growth
Naturalize
Eureka
Drop of Honey
Bounty of the Hunt
Garruk Wildspeaker

Black
Carnophage
Nantuko Shade
Ravenous Rats
Black Knight
Dark Confidant
Nezumi Graverobber
Coffin Queen
Bone Shredder
Hypnotic Specter
Phyrexian Negator
Juzam Djinn
Nekrataal
Faceless Butcher
Shriekmaw
Phyrexian Plaguelord
Grave Titan
Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni
Khabal Ghoul
Plague Sliver
Thrashing Wumpus
Desolation Angel
Bloodghast
Vampire Nighthawk
Skinrender
Vampire Hexmage
Knight of Stromgald
Plague Spitter
Gravedigger
Geth, Lord of the Vault
Malakair Bloodwitch
Dauthi Slayer
Nantuko Husk
Braids, Cabal Minon
Mesmeric Fiend
Slaughter Pact
Mind Twist
Reanimate
Profane Command
Hymn to Tourach
Demonic Tutor
Recuring Nightmare
Damnation
Living Death
Hatred
Necropotence
Yawgmoth's Will
Corpse Dance
Sinkhole
Thoughtsieze
Word of Command
Bitterblossom
Vampiric Tutor
Persectue
Sorin Markov
Sarcomancy

White
Mother of Runes
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
Soltar Priest
Soltari Monk
Whipcorder
Knight of the White Orchid
Stoneforge Mystic
Spectral Lynx
Eight &.5 Tails
Mirror Entity
Mirran Crusader
Magetta the Lion
Serra Angel
Baneslayer Angel
Exalted Angel
Sun Titan
Eternal Dragon
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Calciderm
Kitchen Finks
Paladin en-Vec
Savannah Lions
Mystic Crusader
Voice of All
Glory
Kubuto Moth
Silver Knight
Order of the White Shield
Weathered Wayfarer
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Student of Warfare
True Believer
Icatian Javelineers
Balista Squad
Karmic Guide
Land Tax
Swords to Plowshares
Balance
Armageddon
Wrath of God
Decree of Justice
Moat
Worship
Paralax Wave
Wing Shards
Oblivion Ring
Emperial Armor
Spectral Procession
Disenchant
Tithe
Enlightened Tutor
Cataclysm
Ghostly Prison
Periah
Elspeth Tirel

Gold
Figure of Destiny
Knight of the Reliquary
Shadowmage Infiltraitor
Psychatog
Loxodan Hierarch
Spiritmonger
Bloodbraid Elf
Niv-Mizzet, the Fire Mind
Putrid Leech
Qasali Pridemage
Sprouting Thrinax
Phantom Nishoba
Doran, The Siege Tower
Goblin Legionare
Fire/Ice
Terminate
Pernicious Deed
Puterify
Amadillo Cloak
Vindicate
Void
Malestrom Pulse
Recoil
Eladamri's Call
Lightning Helix
Blightning
Goblin Trenches
Crime/Punishment
Mortify
Ajani, Vengant

Artifact
Masticore
Solemn Simulacrum
Duplicant
Wurmcoil Engine
Platnium Angel
Juggernaut
Steel Hellkite
Thopter Assembly
Sundering Titan
Mirror Universe
Bonehoard
Zuran Orb
Cursed Scroll
Scroll Rack
Tangle Wire
Mox Saphire
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Mox Ruby
Mox Emerald
Black Lotus
Aether Vial
Skullclamp
Umezawa's Jitte
Sword of Body & Mind
Sword of Feast & Famine
Sword of Fire and Ice
Phyrexian Processor
Nev's Disk
Batterskull
Mana Crypt
Sol Ring
Sensi's Diving Top
Chaos Orb
Karn Liberated

Land
Tundra
Volcanic Island
Badlands
Bayou
Savannah
Scrubland
Taiga
Underground Sea
Tropical Island
Plateau
City of Brass
Strip Mine
Wasteland
Library of Alexandria
Maze of Ith
Volrath's Stronghold
Thawing Glaciers
Mishra's Factory
Rishadan Port
Gemstone Mine

Cube List Thoughts

Submitted by peteyJ on September 2, 2011 - 9:16am.

I have only cube drafted one-time ever, so it would be fun to try it again. Last time we used Steve Canty's cube and I drafted an insane black splash red deck featuring Nekrataal, FTK, Cinder Elemental, Animate Dead, and Volrath's Stronghold. I went 3-0 with it because the deck had so much synergy. Here are some of my thoughts on this list:

Red
-Don't really like Goblin Grenade as there aren't many goblins

Blue
-I always was a Palinchron and Treachery fan, if it was me I'd throw 'em in.

Green
-I might add Natural Order

I like the card selection over all! Reminds of playing at Beckmon's with the old crew from back in the day. Hopefully we can cube one of these days

RE: Thoughts

Submitted by wonkazkande on September 3, 2011 - 2:09pm.

- Honestly this cube slaps that cube around and calls it Nancy. We have already seen some great combo's and it's almost too difficult to draft out of this cube but we "somehow" manage. (LOL)

Red - I think you confused the goblin bombardment with the goblin grenade because we said the same thing about the grenade - final goblin count was 5-6 total

Blue - Both the Treachery & Palinchron are on the bubble and are in the supplemental cards.

Green - natural order not sure if we overlooked it or if we went survival over it. I'd have to double check with Steve he might remember.

I do appreciate the feedback it helps. And we'll definitely have to set up a draft night one of these days this cube is a real hum dinger - totally old school feel with new wave antics.

Initial reaction

Submitted by kmons on August 30, 2011 - 10:31pm.

I don't have too much experience in cube building, but here are a couple of my initial thoughts on the list.

The first thing I thought was that it seems a player can only go into red if they intend on being full-blown aggro and try to win within the first few turns. There are lots of cards similar to Ball Lightning and Blistering Firecat that only allow for a one-sided strategy in the color. It appears almost every card in a RDW list in the past decade is put into this list, which I love, but could force drafters into a strategy they may not want simply based upon the cards available.

My second thought is that blue is really overpowered (as tends to be the case). Not only does it feature most of the Power 9, but its lesser cards are also more powerful than most of the other colors. From what I can gather blue has massive card advantage and ridiculous removal/tempo that really sets it apart. It also has some ridiculous bomby cards. If I sat down with this cube I might just force blue because you are bound to get a few game-dominating cards.

Those are my initial thoughts on the list, keep in mind I have little experience constructing these so I could be off base. Looks like an awesome cube to draft with though, quite the list of sick cards.

RE: Cube Build Break Down

Submitted by wonkazkande on September 3, 2011 - 2:22pm.

This Cube list was actually created with the concept of creating an "ultimate Magic Cube" to be perfectly honest. We sat down and broke magic apart into these categories: the five colors, artifacts, "multi-color/gold", & lands. Each category had a sub category of creature, spell/other, plains walker and then was placed in the appropriate mana cost with the purpose of best analysis. The land category was the only exception and we just went for the best in class. We then determined the appropriate amount of cards for each color & type. It broke down as follows:
The 5 colors: 35 creatures, 19 spells/other, 1 plains walker; 55 total/color
Artifact: 10 creature, 25 spell; 35 total
Gold: 14 creature, 15 spell, 1 plains walker; 30 total
Land: 20 total
For a grand total of 360 cards.

For our card pool we analyzed every magic card ever created except non-tournament legal playing sets IE. portal, unglued, unhinged etc. Prior to the card selection phase my friend Steve & I had gone through this card pool & had pre-selected the cards which we thought would fit best in the cube. As we began the card selection phase all the cards that we had both selected automatically made the cube list which was roughly 40% of the cards for the first round of selection. From there we do what we do best, we drafted the remaining portion of the cube from the card pool starting with red creatures with 1 mana cost to 7+ then red spells, so on so forth throughout the entire card pool. There were ultimately some very hard calls to make but we powered through and came up with this list. Now that we do have the cube list finalized we still have quite the list of cards that were not selected and are now debating of creating supplemental 45 card sets to either permanently add to the cube or to just set aside and add for when we have drafts for more than 8 players (remember 45 cards per person)

We have only been drafting with 2-4 people out of this cube so we have not been running into many color issues as of yet but we will definately keep those things in mind. For my part it's just a wonderful feeling to be playing magic the way we used to back in the day with the concept of power negates power. Also one thing to note - this is a draft cube and most of the time you will not always just get money cards as your picks.

I know it's a long explanation but I figured you would appreciate what this process took as this was essentially 3 months worth of work analyzing and planning.

Thanks for the feedback it is appreciated.
Gabe